 | Discussion on: Image 516 - "Monks" |
| Discussion on: Image 516 - "Monks" |
Discussion on: Image 516 - "Monks" | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Discussion, revisions and constructive criticisms of Image 516 - "Monks" | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Kristina Johnson (wired2theworld) Msg: #1 March 20th 2006 11:14:23 | I like this photo and yes, it has tons of potential. I'd crop it to make it more vertical than horizontal. That will draw the eye down the corridor more and the stones on the edges don't add that much. I'd darken a bit and maybe saturate more. But be careful on the saturation so that the robes don't get too day-glo. | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Barnaby Everett (barney) Msg: #2 March 20th 2006 11:36:06 | Thanks for your comments. I knew that there would be things that could be done to make this photo into a really good one. I like the idea of cropping it to turn it into a more vertical shot. As for the darkening and saturation, I've only just got my copy of Photoshop so if anyone can give a me a clue on how to do those things it would be much appreciated... | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Kristina Johnson (wired2theworld) Msg: #3 March 21st 2006 00:33:32 | Below is my version. I cropped it, centering the monks. I also used (my newfound knowledge of) the burn and dodge tools in Photoshop elements to bring out some of the washed out features. I think I might have brought it in too close, not sure... | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Kristina Johnson (wired2theworld) Msg: #4 March 21st 2006 00:34:52 |
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| Barnaby Everett (barney) Msg: #5 March 21st 2006 16:58:07 | Yeah I like the cropping, it makes the image stronger. The other changes worked too although I worry that some of the areas were just too bright in the first place to completely rescue them. Thanks for the tips though! | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Bob Wallace (BobTrips) Msg: #6 March 21st 2006 17:35:40 | I think it's important for all of us shooting in Jpeg mode (as opposed to RAW) to be very, very careful about over exposing. I've started setting the EV on my cameras to -0.6 or so when I'm out in the middle of the day and then auto bracketing. That will give me a -0.6, -1.2, and 0.0 version of each shot. Storage has gotten relatively inexpensive (in relation to lost potentially good images). It takes only a few seconds to decide which version to edit. | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Kristina Johnson (wired2theworld) Msg: #7 March 21st 2006 23:01:10 | Bob-what does auto bracketing do? | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Bob Wallace (BobTrips) Msg: #8 March 21st 2006 23:18:08 | Bracketing is taking shots each side of what you figure (or your camera figures) is the best setting for the particular photo. Usually one brackets for exposure although you can bracket other things such as point of focus. Lots of digital cameras can 'auto bracket' exposure. They will take one (or more) shots a set amount a bit over exposed and one (or more) shots a bit under exposed. Check your manual to see if/how to set your auto bracketing. I often find the slightly under exposed shots to be more usable than the 'ideal' shot determined by the camera when shooing outdoors with a bright sky. | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Bob Wallace (BobTrips) Msg: #9 March 21st 2006 23:23:30 | I just took a look at the Nikon E7900 review at www.dpreview.com. On page 3 it shows that your camera does have autobracketing. Try turning it on, take some shots, and look at the difference. | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Jill Promoli (Jill Promoli) Msg: #10 March 23rd 2006 00:40:31 | Hi there! Still new to the photoshopping, but thought I'd give it a try. I agree that cropping vertically draws more attention to the monks, but to be honest I think that I really like it with more of the setting. This is the type of shot that has great balance between two subjects - the monks, which bring great colour and character, but also the location, which is incredible. (where is that, by the way?) Anyway, I didn't do much to this, just decreased the brightness and increased the contrast. If it came out right, it decreases the bleached-out look in the stone and intensifies the colour in the monks' clothing. Also, it brings out the detail in the stone work. And maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about. :) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Jill Promoli (Jill Promoli) Msg: #11 March 23rd 2006 00:49:12 | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Jill Promoli (Jill Promoli) Msg: #13 March 23rd 2006 01:10:11 |
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| Bob Wallace (BobTrips) Msg: #14 March 23rd 2006 01:16:17 | Yea!!! Third time's charm.... Got any idea what was giving you problems with the upload? Could be that the site needs a little tweaking. (Still in Beta, you know.) Like your version and like your argument for keeping the image uncropped. Really both yours and Kristina's work for me. I'd say that Kristina's gets us more intimate with the monks and yours tells more of a story. | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Bob Wallace (BobTrips) Msg: #15 March 23rd 2006 01:28:22 | OK, everyone else is having fun with this one so I thought I'd give it a try. First I cropped off some of the edges to use the interesting column on the left as a framing element. Then I used Fill Flash to bring the details out a bit in the shadows. I cranked up the contrast (too much, perhaps). And I played with getting rid of some of the blown out areas. Check the bottom step and stone on the right side of the frame. I used the Clone Tool to copy some color and texture from adjacent areas over the pure white. Fixing all the blown out areas could be done but I'll leave it to Barney to do the heavy lifting. (Maybe Adrian will stop by and show us a better way.) |
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| Barnaby Everett (barney) Msg: #16 March 23rd 2006 09:04:41 | Thanks for all the suggestions people! I like your changes Jill, they make the colours better and the whole picture a little richer. It's interesting what had been said about bracketing though. I've heard of it before but never put it into practice. This is one of those shots that you can do a lot with in photoshop but I think the real damage to it was done at the photography stage when I should have gone for a slightly shorter exposure. I'll bare the bracketing thing in mind next time. By the way Jill, this shot was taken at Angkor, Cambodia. Not sure which particular temple I'm afraid, they all blur into one a bit after 3 days! | |||||||||||||||||||||
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